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| As a pipe manufacturer, I found an approach to utilities. Tariffs fly into the pipe Miron Gorilovsky biography |
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Miron Isaakovich Gorilovsky (born April 4, 1960, Moscow, USSR) - Russian scientist and entrepreneur, owner of the Polyplastic group of companies with revenue of 31 billion rubles. Candidate of Technical Sciences, member of the Chemical Industry Commission of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs. BiographyMiron Gorilovsky was born in 1960 in Moscow. Father Isaak Meerovich Gorilovsky is a building materials engineer. Mother Nina Borisovna Gorilovskaya (born 1939) is an inorganic chemist, candidate of technical sciences. In 1983, Gorilovsky graduated from the Moscow Institute of Fine Chemical Technology. M.V. Lomonosov (MITHT), specializing in polymer synthesis. In 1983-1990, he worked as an engineer, research fellow at the Plastics Research Institute named after Petrova NPO Platmassy in the department for the development and research of composite polymer materials. In January 1989, Gorilovsky got a part-time job at the Bioprocess company in Kakha Bendukidze’s division for a project to develop nitrate testers for fruits and vegetables. In April 1989, Gorilovsky, together with comrades from the institute, organized the Biopol Research and Production Center, specializing in biochemistry and plastic processing. On August 19, 1991, he, together with two colleagues, founded the company Polyplastic LLC on the basis of a part of the Biopol Scientific and Production Center, and since then has been its leader. Since 1995, Gorilovsky held the position of Director General of CJSC Zavod Andy Gaztrubplast; Since 2003 - President of Eurotrubplast Holding. In 2011, Gorilovsky participated in a meeting of entrepreneurs with Vladimir Putin on a project to create an Agency for Strategic Initiatives (ASI). According to data from 2013, the Gorilovsky company is one of the largest chemical industry enterprises in Europe. Scientific activityMiron Gorilovsky for 6 years worked as a researcher at the Research Institute of Polymer Materials (NII PM), where he was engaged in the development of filled and reinforced polymeric materials based on polypropylene and polyamides. Since 2003, he has been the editor-in-chief of the journal Polymer Pipes. In 2006 he defended his thesis on "Development of optimized technological processes for the production of pressure pipes from copolymers of ethylene with butene and hexene and cross-linked polyethylene." Bibliography
Personal lifeMarried. Wife - Tatyana Gorilovskaya. He has two daughters and two sons. The eldest son and eldest daughter are graduates of Moscow State University. He is fond of badminton, speaks English. References
Monopolizing the regional housing and communal services markets, the Polymerteplo group management represented by Miron Gorilovsky and Valentin Buyanovsky prefers to invest in foreign assets. When it comes to the reasons for the increase in the cost of utilities, the opacity of the housing and communal services market, corruption, and the monopoly position of selected companies are commonly referred to. But this is, so to speak, "in general." Let's talk about the specifics, for example, about a single plant. The Andree Gaztrubplast plant and the entire Polymerteplo group, which it is a member of, produces polymer (or “plastic”) pipes, is surrounded by a positive flair of prominent manufacturers and prudent suppliers. However, one gets the feeling that their successes are associated not only with product quality, but also with very specific methods of increasing “competitiveness”, which are known to group leaders. The group is headed by Miron Gorilovsky, who is also the general director of the Polyplastic group. In 2012, Miron Gorilovsky announced that he with this company refused Moscow registration and moved to Omsk. The news caused a great resonance - not every day a large metropolitan enterprise is registered in the province. However, two years later, causing no less commotion, Gorilovsky returned to Moscow. Omsk Governor Viktor Nazarov explained the severance of relations with Gorilovsky with "soft blackmail." It seems that the leadership of the pipe manufacturer demanded to double the volume of acquisitions of its products, but this meant that tenders for the purchase of pipes would invariably win Gorilovsky. It may seem surprising to someone, but the region insisted that he, in accordance with the law, participate in competitions along with other market players. And this, apparently, was unacceptable to Gorilovsky. It is clear that the regions value the opportunity to register significant taxpayers, especially when it comes to a manufacturing enterprise, which also produces high-quality products and successfully competes in a saturated market. Has the manufacturer in this case crossed that line when such a bargain turns into blackmail? The verdict of the Moscow Arbitration Court testifies to the fact that the Omsk episode is not an accident, but a common practice. In August of this year, the court confirmed the legality of the decision of the Federal Antimonopoly Service, which caught structures affiliated with Polymertepl in collusion with the utilities of Ryazan, St. Petersburg, Khabarovsk and the Nenets Autonomous Okrug. According to the verdict, customers, announcing a purchase for the supply of polymer pipes, agreed in advance with the Gorilovsky companies related to the formation of the terms of reference by the procurement participants themselves in order to exclude the competitive bidding victory. However, there are many ways to ensure the loyalty of local authorities. For example, in the suburbs Gorilovsky and Buyanovsky, probably not without the consent of the ex-governor Gromov, were able to put their old partner Andrei Menshov in the chair of the mayor of Klimovsk. In relation to the newly-appointed mayor, previously convicted of apartment theft, a criminal case was soon opened on the fact of abuse of authority. It seems that the city at the expense of the budget began to buy plastic pipes at exorbitant prices and without any competition. Housing and communal services tariffs in the city under Menshov became the highest in the Moscow region. Klimovsk residents even held rallies against the communal "rip-off". Against this background, "Polymerteplo" turned around with might and main in the capital, as Gorilovsky himself told. In a recent interview, one of the key events of the last five years for his company, he called participation in the capital’s program, within the framework of which it was possible to supply the city with hundreds of kilometers of pipes and several thousand wells. Monopolization of markets and anticompetitive collusion between customers and suppliers result, on the one hand, as inefficient spending for the budget and rising tariffs for housing and communal services for ordinary citizens, and on the other hand, in superprofits for those who are eligible for profitable orders. According to the RBC-500 rating, the revenue for 2015 of only one business of Gorilovsky - the Polyplastic group - amounted to 31 billion rubles. Apparently, a significant part of these funds settles abroad. In 2013, the structures controlled by Miron Gorilovsky and his partner Valentin Buyanovsky acquired the British company Radius Systems and all its subsidiaries serving the largest British gas, water and telecommunications companies. The logic of the purchase is not entirely clear: if you work in Russia and the CIS, why buy a manufacturing asset quite far from home? Although the logic may become clearer if we assume that the purchase will legitimately withdraw funds earned in Russia abroad. Moreover, the house, as it turns out, is not so far away. It seems that Miron Gorilovsky and his wife Tatyana own real estate in London at 15 St. Edmund’s Square, and here, in Harrods Village, the Buyanovsky spouses probably own the real estate. Judging by the posts on social networks, Tatyana Gorilovskaya lives in London without any danger, just like her daughter Anna. Apparently, Valentin Buyanovsky himself, his wife Lyudmila and their two sons - Ilya and Dmitry - are shareholders of Buyanovsky Property Management Ltd., and Valentin Buyanovsky's brother and niece own real estate in the British capital. It seems that Polymerteplo polyethylene pipes, in addition to technical advantages, have one wonderful ability: they transport not only water and other liquids, but also rubles from Russian wallets, which in London can turn into dollars and pounds for co-owners of the group.
"Companies" "News" Miron Gorilovsky, General Director of POLYPLASTIC Group. Interview In 2011, one of the most successful plastics processors, the Polyplastic Group, celebrates its 20th anniversary. The general director of Polyplastic, Miron Isaakovich Gorilovsky, in an interview with the editorial office spoke about the difficulties in the formation of the company, the peculiarities of Russian business, and shared plans for the future. The consumption of polyethylene pipes in Russia in 2011 can grow by about 18-19%. IX International Conference The general director of the Polyplastic group Miron Gorilovsky noted that the creation of polymer processing in the places of their production is not always economically justified, since the production of polymers is more consumer-oriented than raw materials. For the pipe industry, the effective sales radius of the plant usually does not exceed 500-600 km in the European part of Russia, although in Europe, where the density of consumers is higher, it is only 200 km, and Siberia reaches 1200 km. Nevertheless, Mr. Gorilovsky said that the company is ready to discuss participation in the Budyonnovsk technology park to work in the North Caucasus market. Miron Gorilovsky: “The existing pricing of Russian polymers reduces their competitiveness in the domestic market” The most, perhaps, most impressive was the dynamics in the pipe extrusion segment; the key investors were manufacturers of PE pipes. The leaders here were the companies POLYPLASTIC and Techstroy. By the way, in August of this year, the POLYPLASTIC group celebrated its 20th anniversary. What began in 1991 as a small production of composite materials today has become the largest Russian holding company for the processing of petrochemical products. Rupek is talking with the group’s president Miron Gorilovsky about the history of this path and the specifics of running a polymer processing business in Russia. Polymer Summit 2011 The speakers of the Polymer Summit-2011, which will be held on November 30, 2011 in Ritz-Carlton Moscow, will be ICIS Editor-in-Chief Linda Naylor, SABIC Europe General Director Gert Drummen, General Director of NPP POLYPLASTIC Miron Gorilovsky, Head of Extrusion Polystyrene Polystyrene TekhnoNIKOL Corporation Vasily Tkachev, Director of Market Report Sergey Yaremenko, Head of the Department for Coordination of Gas Energy Activities and Sales of Petrochemicals and Gas Processing Products, State Unitary Enterprise Lukoil Alexander Rappoport The general director of Polyplastic, Miron Gorilovsky, noted that Russian processors have been told for 15 years about the upcoming raw material abundance, which never comes. And without creating a surplus of polymer raw materials, such as polyethylene, in the market, it is difficult to hope for a reduction in prices. If prices are determined not by import but by export parity, then polyethylene of pipe grades, in his words, will fall in price by 10 rubles per kg and it will become unprofitable to produce surrogates. "We were considered a little shifted ..." The basic demand of the USSR in composites was met by imports. It was this dissonance twenty years ago that the feat of the chemist-technologist Miron Gorilovsky and his institute comrades filled an empty niche. Thus began the history of the Polyplastic group, which year after year increased its capacities and competencies in this segment of the polymer market. Over twenty years, Polyplastic increased the production of composites 135 times (see graph 1), built two powerful plants in Moscow and Saratov (see table 1), created its own scientific and technical center, which developed and launched into mass production more than 250 brands composites, including over 100 unique painted compounds for Russia. There is no ford in the shit! Biodegradable containers and packaging that could help solve the problems of environmental pollution in the country - one of the gazelle companies has such technologies. We are ready to make packaging from biodegradable films in the Polyplastic group. “This, of course, is more expensive, and voluntarily none of the potential consumers will switch to it, but we are ready to produce it,” says Miron Gorilovsky, General Director of Polyplastic Group. - And of course, the state should have a “compulsion to innovate”, to greening society. If it’s ready to take a tougher approach to environmental issues, special technological corridors must be introduced. ” 20 years to our partner - “POLYPLASTIC Group”! Representatives of International Plastic Guide LLC took part in the anniversary press conference of POLYPLASTIC Group. General Director Miron Gorilovsky received congratulations from colleagues and journalists, answered questions, spoke about the history of the enterprise, the current situation and prospects. As the president of Polyplastic, Miron Gorilovsky, noted at the grand opening of the new unit, any modern high-tech production is inextricably linked with scientific research, development of new products and technologies. On the first day of the conference, the President of the POLYPLASTIC Group and the Editor-in-Chief of the POLYMER PIPES magazine Miron Gorilovsky will make a report “Development of the market of polyethylene pipes in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus”. The Tonar machine-building plant, which began to assemble trailers in garages in the 1990s and now produces trailers, will be presented by technical director Yuri Weinstein. President Sergey Andreyev came from one of the world's developers of artificial intelligence in the field of software of ABBY Production LLC. The pipes of Miron Gorilovsky (General Director of Polyplastic LLC) in the White House are called one of the best in the world. In total, the presentation of 23 elected businessmen. Y. Kobaladze- Good evening, dear friends. This is the program "In the Circle of Light". Today I was honored to introduce our guest, as I insisted on this topic. This is my favorite topic. Sveta refused, but I twisted her arms. I will introduce the guest first. This is Miron Gorilovsky, CEO of Polyplastic Group. And we are discussing today, it’s scary to think - the strategy, methods and mechanisms for implementing the national program for the restoration and modernization of utilities networks. S. Sorokina- And in your own words can you? Y. Kobaladze- No impossible. Do you remember, there was such Hryun and Stepan. They talked about pipes either good or nothing. Because they are in the ground. And since then I have had a reverent attitude towards pipes, but it seemed to me that they are all metal. No matter how you go out of the street, they dig out - they always pull out the metal. But you develop ... M. Gorilovsky- I will try as much as possible. This is our problem that the pipes are mostly metal. And Russia is not only the birthplace of elephants, but also steel pipes, and in the 90th year we produced more than 20 million tons of steel pipes in Russia. And this is like a common issue of the USA, Germany and Japan combined. These countries have long since approximately set their sights on plastic applications since the year 60. And we continued to make steel pipes. Y. Kobaladze- And the lifespan of metal and plastic. M. Gorilovsky- It differs, in plastic it is from 50 to 100 years. S. Sorokina“I haven’t read this anywhere.” M. Gorilovsky- This is absolutely true. S. Sorokina- From 20 to 50 read. M. Gorilovsky- 50 years warranty. And a hundred years that today we can talk realistically, a hundred plus. This is more than a hundred years, and pressure and pressureless pipes. And today there is full evidence of this. But on the other hand, you are absolutely right that a hundred years have not passed since the first pipe fell into the ground. But 56 years have passed. I’m talking about a pressure pipe. We even have a certificate from a German company, they presented it to us for the 25th anniversary. Where for 56 years the pipe has been under pressure and this is the first generation, and today the fifth generation polyethylene. A big difference. Everything changes very quickly in this area. Once, you are absolutely right, the first generation polyethylene really predicted a lifetime of about 25 years. Only now this is the fourth generation. But the most interesting, the source of our problem is what we call commitment to Stalinism. That is, steel pipes in our land. Which are buried simply an incredible amount, they certainly rot because they corrode. As for the life span, it depends on the place. In Moscow, for example, where there are stray currents, everything else, the life of pipes from 5 to 15 years. Metal. Somewhere far away in the sand, they can lie 25 years, this is their standard life. But there are stray currents in urban environments, usually 7-8 years. Therefore, in Moscow, heat networks were changed regularly. Moreover, there was a period of 12 years, but many had to be changed in 7-8 years. And of course, this terrible thing is what is happening with the networks. This is 70% of actual depreciation, 70% of networks are hard to imagine, have one hundred percent depreciation. Y. Kobaladze- In Moscow. M. Gorilovsky- In Russia. And Russia has a huge territory, so a huge number of networks. That is why the big problem. If you do not pay attention to it without special measures, it should sooner or later lead to what we call a communal catastrophe. S. Sorokina“I wanted to say something about this.” Explain who our turbulent stream did not fully comprehend. What are we talking about housing and communal services. About networks, underground communications. And we are talking primarily about those pipes that lie in the ground or which are inside buildings, structures. M. Gorilovsky- We are talking only about infrastructure. This is what lies in the ground. Gas water, sewage, heat. S. Sorokina- And electric ones too. M. Gorilovsky- Yes, right now the Moscow program “My Street” has laid a huge number of cable channels for high and low voltage electric networks. S. Sorokina- Here we can say that I did not see about 100% wear, but what I saw above 60 on average. This is of course a serious story. 60-70% wear. And not only that, for the most part, we no longer have any scheduled repair work there, but exclusively emergency work is underway to repair all networks. By the way, the numbers are huge. According to the Moscow water utility, we have about 10 thousand kilometers of pipelines in Moscow and 7 thousand 200 of them are steel. M. Gorilovsky- Absolutely right. S. Sorokina“But the question is.” We produce metal ourselves, we roll pipes ourselves. And the plastic is what you say. M. Gorilovsky- It has become good with plastic now. This is mainly polyethylene in this case and polyethylene of the latest generation. Fortunately, two factories in Russia produce this material. And they expanded their production in such a way that, taking into account some crisis in consumption, we suddenly converged their production volumes and the consumption volumes of this material. Moreover, the capacity of Russian factories producing a pipe from polyethylene, today it is approximately three times higher than the amount that is actually bought on the market. When before the crisis it was twice. And now at three. Because the consumption volume has decreased quite a lot. And when at the same time the volume of consumption decreases and the volume of production of raw materials increases, then they sometimes join ... S. Sorokina“Are we the raw materials ourselves?” M. Gorilovsky- Fully domestic raw materials. This is a petrochemical feedstock. Unfortunately, we just produced it very insufficiently and about 100 thousand tons had to be imported here imported raw materials from Europe and Asia. But when consumption fell by 70 thousand tons, production increased by 30 thousand tons, somehow everything came together. But at the same time, special brands have to be imported. But this is a very small amount. The main raw materials are domestic and only domestic production. We completed the import substitution program 8-10 years before it was announced. Completely expelling foreign manufacturers from here. This applies to external networks. There is still a lot of work in internal networks, but we do not deal with internal networks, as the Polyplastic group. S. Sorokina- And everything about worn pipes and replacing them. Is this an order from the budget or is financed in another way. M. Gorilovsky- It is funded differently. Because most of it is financed by the repair fund, which is laid down in the tariffs. That is, roughly speaking, those same water utilities, they can be private, state-owned enterprises, such as Moscow water utilities. S. Sorokina- That is, this is what we pay for overhaul. M. Gorilovsky- No, this is what you pay for water supply and for heat supply, sewage. S. Sorokina- That is, consumers pay anyway. M. Gorilovsky- Yes, the only thing that the budget does is that it sometimes subsidizes some specific events. Through some programs. But when the subsidy occurs, we believe that this is wrong. Because there should not be any money that is just given. When just given, they just disappear. All money must be refundable. S. Sorokina- And you want to say that there is enough money that the consumer pays? M. Gorilovsky- There is absolutely no money. But in many ways, because today they are spent in the wrong way. Because today, for example, we say that in water supply networks only 15% of new networks are made of polyethylene, and the rest goes in cast iron, steel and so on. And if we are talking about sewage networks, there is generally a terrible thing. There 3-4% is put in modern materials. Everything else is concrete, and the quality of concrete is ugly today. And gas corrosion turns it into nothing in a very short time. Y. Kobaladze- Why is this being done. M. Gorilovsky- And then carriages, cars fail. We now produce pipes up to three meters. Inner diameter, which replace any concrete pipe. But unfortunately, in every city there is almost a small concrete factory producing pipes, which has something to do with the administration, which supports it in this way. And accordingly, this is what happens. Y. Kobaladze- Sabotage. S. Sorokina“But iron pipes are not in every small town.” M. Gorilovsky- No, steel pipes, of course. Just once, a lot of factories were built, which gradually understand where their place is and where the place is in general a metal pipe. Y. Kobaladze“I want to ask for a long time.” Increasingly, you see how metal pipes bring to the surface and make arches. What is it. M. Gorilovsky- These are compensators. Because when metal, if on the surface, the temperature of the environment changes. And the metal expands and contracts accordingly. And if the metal, unlike plastic, is inelastic, and if you don’t do it ... these are the ones, it will simply crack. Y. Kobaladze- And why not bury it in the ground. Spoils the look. M. Gorilovsky- I understood what the question is about. These are usually temporary pipelines, heat supply and less often water supply. But sometimes we have temporary for 10 years, they can hold on unfortunately. And this is of course complete disgrace. Because the same temporary networks can easily be made from the same polyethylene. We produce insulated pipes that can be used very well for this. And just as temporary. Which can then be removed, rewound back into the bay and used a second time or somehow else. This, unfortunately, is used very rarely. S. Sorokina“Why do you insist so much that this is the best option for pipes.” I know that for example, the best option is really expensive, as a rule, apparently, for internal work, copper pipes are considered. Not figuratively, but literally. Then they say that it’s very convenient, good, we leave the iron, because there really are a lot of complaints, it has already proved that a difficult story. But there is metal plastic for example. Which is much more convenient to bend and stack. And he has the property ... Y. Kobaladze- How do you know? M. Gorilovsky- That's right. You are absolutely right. But this applies to internal networks. As well as copper pipes in the West, they are very actively used as pipes for internal networks. But at the same time more and more metal plastic is being found. And plus cross-linked polyethylene. Which now occupies almost 40% of the market. S. Sorokina- Then another question. I know that these, what to call ... M. Gorilovsky- You can polymer, you can plastic. Polymer is the most correct name. S. Sorokina- Polymer pipes can be good for everyone, but still it is believed that they are sensitive to pressure drops. Internal stress. To temperature changes. But the main thing is that they do not interact very well with chlorinated water. M. Gorilovsky- We are talking only about water supply. There the temperature does not matter. This is only heating there, but there are special types of polyethylene that can withstand. As for the chlorination of water, in general, almost nothing affects polyethylene. That is, there is acid, alkali, absolutely nothing. S. Sorokina“Why, too, a chemical compound.” M. Gorilovsky- Of course, the most inert of those that exist. Unlike polypropylene, polystyrene and other types of polymers. But chlorine water, of course, it affects, unlike many other things, since the life time is 50-100 years, then it has some effect during this time. But at the same time, if you observe the standards that are associated with chlorination, the chlorine content that should be there, those same 50 years are still guaranteed. There are special grades of polyethylene, additionally protected from chlorine. It just requires additional stabilizers. They are sometimes used, sometimes the use of such brands is even regulated by some European countries. In order to make a period of not 50 years, but a hundred years. But 50 years is guaranteed with the volumes of water chlorination that are needed today in water treatment. S. Sorokina- Now, by the way, I drove along the street and saw how a large diameter plastic pipe was buried in the ground. I thought that such a rich city as Moscow showed the last beautification, probably already in full swing to plastic pipes. And here ahead of all the cities and villages of our country. This is true? M. Gorilovsky- In Moscow, the situation is relatively favorable. Because it is possible to prove and somehow explain the advantage of plastic polymer pipes in many applications. But not at all. Unfortunately. If we talk about heat, then the situation is very good. Because since 2002 in Moscow, out of about 6 thousand kilometers of networks that exist in this diameter, and we only produce heat up to 150 millimeters, we managed to replace about two thousand kilometers. Some areas of Moscow are not disconnected from hot water. For one day, they are turned off only for setting up heating points. This is South Butovo in particular, other areas. Where zoning is done complete. In other places, nothing is swarming now, there are no accidents. But still, two thousand out of six. In general, Moscow has 13 thousand kilometers of these heating networks, including highways, which we, unfortunately, cannot repair or replace with polyethylene. It is still in metal today. Heat insulated. S. Sorokina- And what do these weeks go when they turn off hot water. I thought the boiler room. M. Gorilovsky- There is a very small part in the boiler room. The main part is, roughly speaking, one and a half pressure is given on the pipeline, it looks where it flowed and these sections change further. And so the replacement of the plots is all very slowly done. And Moscow in this regard is a very progressive city. Basically, not even in laying polyethylene pipes, but mainly in repairing networks. The trenchless method. When a polyethylene pipe can be pulled from a well into a well without touching the road surface. The first time Mosgaz did this. He extended a pipe under Kutuzovsky Prospekt. Can you imagine that it would be necessary to tear Kutuzovsky Prospekt. And that was literally, a kilometer of pipe was covered inside an old steel pipe, at that time it was unique. It was 1994. S. Sorokina- Just a mini-builders. M. Gorilovsky- It was a unique thing absolutely. And that saved some tens of millions of rubles at that time. Not to mention the difficulties that exist. If we are talking about trenchless, repairing old steel pipelines by pulling, using other methods as necessary to carefully pipe the pipe into it ... Y. Kobaladze- And they drove her like. M. Gorilovsky- We cleaned the existing steel and drove a plastic pipe there. Which due to the fact that her surface is smoother, the throughput has not changed. Despite the fact that the wall there is still polyethylene, there is a certain one. And this is by far the most interesting repair method for urban conditions. When the asphalt pavement does not rise, when you can go from the foundation pit to the pit 50-100 meters. And it is very interesting when this is done not only water, sewage, gas networks, which are inside the city. Y. Kobaladze- How are two pipes sewn together? M. Gorilovsky- are being welded. Moreover, an automatically heated tool. The edge is carefully removed, heated and then under pressure it is all, and this is now done completely automatically. There was a specific listing for each weld so that it was clear who welded the seam when. S. Sorokina- And you have enough of such specialists. I have a feeling that a lot rests precisely on those who are engaged in installation, installation and so on. M. Gorilovsky- You are absolutely right. The degree of conservatism at first of designers, and then resource-supplying organizations is fantastic. But since a polymer pipe is usually cheaper, better, more convenient, people want to learn. We have a training center where we train 1,500 welders a year. We teach engineers, designers. Without creating a general direction for polymer pipelines, nothing will happen. So everything will remain. This Stalinism will remain as it is. Addiction to steel. Therefore, here it is necessary to engage in design and to teach designers. We need to deal with a very serious matter with raw materials. We have raised the issue of raw materials many times. Which code was not produced in Russia even now, thank God, Kazanorgsintez, Nizhnekamskneftekhim, and now Sibur has already started, two are already being produced, Sibur will have a huge production of the most modern brands. And we take an active part in this. Because without domestic raw materials purely on imports, we can never raise industry. S. Sorokina- And how comparable is it for the price. Your pipes, including both installation and iron. M. Gorilovsky- There is a common misconception that steel pipes are cheap, and polymer ones ... S. Sorokina- I don't think it's cheap. Because steel is still steel. M. Gorilovsky- Today, up to a diameter of 150 mm, these are distribution networks, polymer pipes are almost any substantially cheaper than steel pipes. Not to mention cast iron or some other. S. Sorokina- Together with the installation. M. Gorilovsky- Much cheaper. Because you have to weld each piece of steel pipe, check the weld, and often still isolate. There are no such problems with the polyethylene pipe; moreover, up to 110 millimeters they are produced in bays. You can roll the bay 400 meters. Y. Kobaladze- Bay is what is it? M. Gorilovsky- Roll. That is, up to 110 millimeters, all this is in bays, you just pull it apart and it turns out that you are ready to 400 meters of the pipeline. And we do the same with heating networks. There are 9-layer pipes, including thermal insulation, the pipe in the trench lives for three hours. If ready, they brought the pipe, rolled it out, attached it and covered it with a trench. That is, it's fantastic. This is a difference in the laying speed of 10 to 20 times, when we talk about pipes in bays, of course. When it is not necessary to connect each segment. Large diameter pipes should be boiled every 12-13 meters. But welding is a very short time and in principle it is all much faster and easier. Therefore, for polyethylene pipes, we insist on comparing them with installation. Because installation is much cheaper and more convenient and faster. Then they get cheaper. S. Sorokina- For some reason, I saw an amazing calculation from you. In kilograms per person. Plastic or iron. What a strange measure. M. Gorilovsky- We do not measure iron. Because the pipe is 10 millimeters and 3 meters of inner diameter. And if you compare them in kilometers, it turns out a very incorrect comparison. Pipe production can be compared in two ways. Or for the money. How much money per person goes. Or how many kilograms per person. Here we have 3 kilograms, unfortunately, per person. In Russia. Y. Kobaladze- Why "Unfortunately? M. Gorilovsky- Because in Europe 9, in America 9, and in China 10. Today is 10. But in China in 2007 there were 2 kilograms per person. That is, it shows that with the right attitude of the state, when they give the opportunity to make all the necessary investments, it can be raised five times in 7 years, it can be in China, we do not have as many Chinese, but in Russia this is also possible. We are lagging, of course, catastrophically. And we continue, unfortunately, to bury money in the sand. S. Sorokina“But there is probably still inertia here, or is steel pipe production reduced?” M. Gorilovsky- Of course. It is now practically not contracting and not increasing. It slides down a little, but now, in general, everything is slightly reduced. Pipes, which are the so-called water and gas pipelines, are not large-diameter pipes for trunk pipelines; approximately 2.5-3 million tons of them are produced. The difference, the coefficient should approximately be 5, because the density is 7 there, and taking into account the thickness of 5, that is, it is still a large amount. A huge amount of steel is buried in the ground. Y. Kobaladze- What is the forecast? Will change ... M. Gorilovsky- It will be necessary to change, because no matter how many weaving machines you break, they will win sooner or later. And we see this in the example of Europe and America in absolute terms. There it won a long time ago. On the example of China, we see how this can change rapidly. If the right technical policy is pursued. Here we come to the fact that nothing itself will change. Here it is also required to formulate a strategy, methods and mechanisms for implementing the national network restoration program. It is recovery. Because they are not in the form in which they should be. And here the question of technical policy arises as one of the two main questions. Y. Kobaladze- We returned to the studio. Visiting us is the general director of the Polyplastic group Gorilovsky Miron Isaakovich. And we are discussing the struggle of steel pipes with plastic ones. Who will win. Our guest believes that the victory will be for plastic. S. Sorokina- We talk about many problems of housing and communal services in these problems, perhaps the first place is occupied by the state of our pipelines for heat supply, water supply, cable wiring and we all know what accidents are, especially when in winter. And Miron Isaakovich insists that until we cope with steel iron pipes, with Stalinism in its figurative expression, without noticing the plastic, in fact, things won’t work. But the money for these changes is inherent in our payments, which we pay to Vodokanal. And we talked about the fact that of course this is not enough money. But as we know, we also have the main conductor of the reform of our housing and communal services - this is the fund to promote the reform of housing and communal services. He mainly manages money, accepts applications and so on. Does this fund have anything to do with you? M. Gorilovsky- Almost none. Because this fund mainly passes money on overhaul. Once allocated about 3 billion rubles. But the money is practically for design and only in those cities that have less than 200 thousand inhabitants and for those resource-supplying organizations that have no debts. And there are almost none. Therefore, there these billions were not even spent. And so we tried with the Housing and Utilities Fund to pursue some kind of policy on networks, unfortunately, this did not work. S. Sorokina“But every winter something happens somewhere.” Pipes are torn, depressurization of the house and even entire blocks are left without heat. Then some enormous forces rush, special rescuers often arrive on planes. Heating guns and more. It seems that the situation should hint that the assistance fund should solve the problem of heating networks and so on. M. Gorilovsky- I think that it is not the assistance fund that should decide, but the national program for the restoration of networks is needed. Here, no assistance fund will help ... S. Sorokina“But they manage the money.” M. Gorilovsky“It's not just money.” They do not engage in technical policies, for example. Technical bodies are engaged in completely different bodies. S. Sorokina- Just do not say the Ministry of Economic Development. M. Gorilovsky- The Ministry of Construction. There is Rosstandart. Here they are engaged in technical policy. But this technical policy needs to be further implemented, it should be a part. That is, there is an economic and technical part. With the right technical approach, there should be an economic part. And the economic part, from our point of view, is the most useless thing that you can do is to give money simply for state support. Free, irrevocable. They disappear, no one ever watches them. Money must be refundable. Let 3%, let 5%, even 10 years, but they should be targeted and repayable. S. Sorokina- And in this case, like this. M. Gorilovsky- Very simple. Now we have some kind of enlightenment. Finally, the law on concessions, its latest edition began to play a little. Finally, all sorts of different organizations with a desire and money began to take quite serious concessions. And heating systems, and water utilities. S. Sorokina- Yur, do you know what a concession is? M. Gorilovsky- Management. Y. Kobaladze- Ostap Bender ... S. Sorokina- So I ask, do you remember what a concession is. M. Gorilovsky- Since the time of Ostap Bender, something has changed. S. Sorokina- As far as I remember, these are investments that must necessarily be returned somehow. M. Gorilovsky- This is not entirely true in this case. S. Sorokina- Participation in the collection. M. Gorilovsky- No, a concession is some kind of water utility or heating systems are leased for a long time. The state or, respectively, the municipalities. This is a very important issue. Because they are not taken into ownership, they are taken only for long-term rent. It is usually 30-50 years old. S. Sorokina- In order to invest and get something back. M. Gorilovsky- Absolutely right. Until recently, everything that I took there that I invested, then the state sets a tariff for you, and you can say goodbye to your money. So it was, because the tariff was formed from the cost. S. Sorokina“What about the new law?” M. Gorilovsky- It allows you to keep the tariff at the same level. Or move it no higher than inflation, but at the same time take into account the investor's funds, take into account its minimal profitability. And somehow provide a return on funds with some minimal profitability. And this is very good because until recently there was a law; it already exists for almost three years. But he was dead. And only the last year may be, especially the last six months, a positive movement has begun. When the owner appears on the networks, everything immediately appears on them. And money, and everything else. While there is no owner, while this is a draw, this is a draw. S. Sorokina- But in this case it turns out that there is a privatization of networks. M. Gorilovsky- No, this is not privatization. Concession. S. Sorokina- But in fact for 50 years the owner of some part of these networks. M. Gorilovsky- The tenant for these 50 years. S. Sorokina- All the same, it’s not the state anymore, but someone there who owns it ... M. Gorilovsky- This is very good, because the state as the owner, it can not effectively own. S. Sorokina- I completely agree, I am absolutely not enthusiastic about how the state owns. But often the owners then in case of an accident do not know where to find them. M. Gorilovsky- We are not talking about owners, some kind of housing partnerships. When we say the word "concession", the entire heating system of the city is taken into concession. S. Sorokina- Such large pieces. M. Gorilovsky- Impossible in a different way. This is all boiler houses, at least the heating system is everything. Boiler rooms may not be all, there are private ones. But on water, this is exactly all the water. On the sewer, exactly the entire sewer. S. Sorokina“But do we really have a concessionaire who, for example, all Moscow networks ...” M. Gorilovsky- Moscow is not, but maybe because there is, for example, Rosvodokanal, which is a concessionaire for 7 or 8 major cities. This is Krasnodar, Novosibirsk, Tyumen, and a whole series of water utilities in large cities. And we have not only Rosvodokanal in this case, there are others who own heating systems, someone owns, and someone is a concessionaire. And now a very interesting trend has already begun that it becomes interesting to large funds. S. Sorokina- And what is interesting, this is a long-term money. Today you invest unknowingly how much, and when you get and how much you get, in general your grandmother said in two. M. Gorilovsky- What is happening with our banks today. They are full of money, they have nowhere to give money back on track. There is no guarantee of return. What is housing and communal services. We still pay for our services. Anyway. This is just good cash flow. And it is precisely regulated, it looks. Because there is a concept of demography. There is a concept of resource value. It is possible for at least 10 years, it is impossible to adjust how the dollar will be relative to the ruble. But we live in the ruble zone and we can somehow regulate this. The biggest problem was the formation of state tariffs, which no one guaranteed, today you have such a tariff, you made investments, cut your cost by 30%, and you cut the tariff by 30% and go for a walk. It was a huge problem. Today, when we say that there may be tariffs, tariff agreements for 3-5 years are concluded, with a tariff that does not change or changes within inflation, but not higher. This is a huge plus, because no one will cut your tariff. And when they cut it off, you can’t give back the money that you took a loan to renovate the networks. This was a big problem. It’s too early to say that today concessions are a serious source of money in housing and communal services. While this is only the very beginning, it can be 10-12-15 percent of networks now either in concession or it is being discussed. But this is a very good step forward. S. Sorokina- But it’s no coincidence that the same housing and communal services reform reform fund really has priority in work in cities with a population of less than 250 thousand. For the simple reason that in small cities these problems arise simply in gigantic growth. M. Gorilovsky- I would say differently. In small cities, it pays off longer. S. Sorokina“There, deterioration is often worse than anywhere else.” Because there is no money at all. Eyeliner can be long. Emergency boiler rooms. M. Gorilovsky- Ineffective, terrible. S. Sorokina- Bad networks inside the housing stock. But besides this, there is no money, and in this case their support is understandable. If we talk about the plastic revolution, then when it comes to small cities, where the most disastrous situation. And why the same assistance fund cannot participate in this work. This is terribly important. What is the use of repairing a house with a sin in half if the pipes burst there again, and again you don’t understand what. M. Gorilovsky- Absolutely correct. In small cities, this problem is more acute than in large cities. You asked about Moscow, I would say that St. Petersburg is the leader even in the use of plastic technologies, but Moscow is one of the leaders too. S. Sorokina- But these are the largest cities in Russia. And the richest. Y. Kobaladze- In St. Petersburg, pipes were laid 300 years ago. M. Gorilovsky- There is very heavy soil. There is an open heating system, there are terrible soils, there it rots very much. But in small cities, too, things are different. S. Sorokina- I do not take Khanty-Mansiysk ... M. Gorilovsky- No, in those small cities where they have long taken the right technical direction, much has already been done there. Because you can spend money very competently. It’s very important how money is spent. Therefore, there are very good examples, examples of even very small villages. Where they achieved that the network was replaced, and within 3-5 years it gave full return. We are pleased to give such cities, active participants, for a year, sometimes for two years in installments, products so that they can do it at home. We have special such approaches. Thank God banks give us loans. Therefore, we can give money to such projects. S. Sorokina- That is the main desire. M. Gorilovsky- Desire, the right technical approach and, in general, some kind of economic calculation. But the most important thing should not be irrevocable money. All money must be refundable on some basis. It is most important. Because as soon as the responsibility for money is lost, the money itself is immediately lost. This is the second economic part, therefore, the concession is good, because no one will give the concessionaire money just like that. The state can co-finance some things, it can reduce the interest on the loan, which would be very good because with today's commercial interest only commercial rates will be. But to reduce the percentage to 5% or somehow else it is quite possible when there is a targeted use of money. It is fully confirmed. There must be control; it must be economic. This should not be a bunch of controllers who look around. You built something, did it, please, you can give that 5% loan for this amount for the payback period of this object. S. Sorokina- You want such flexibility from the state. M. Gorilovsky- And that’s all. S. Sorokina- Yes, you can. He’ll eat, but who will give him. I mean, at the moment we have very difficult conditions for any business and it’s extremely difficult to establish any kind of partnership and honest relations with the state here. You are in this sense an optimist. M. Gorilovsky- Yes, because somehow it settled down in other places, even in China. And it will settle down sooner or later. S. Sorokina“But it is also complicated for you by the fact that a really long story.” Business for a long time. And now, in my opinion, businesses are simply not accepted for a long time. And you have exactly no alternative for a long time. M. Gorilovsky- You are absolutely right that today the business environment is not very favorable for long-term investments, but here, firstly, the state can play here by cutting rates exclusively. By creating favorable conditions for concessions. Here it can play and much is not required of it. S. Sorokina- And what by the way is required? M. Gorilovsky- It is required to formulate a national network restoration program. It has a technical and economic aspect. S. Sorokina“It is strange to me that this has not happened so far.” M. Gorilovsky- Me too. S. Sorokina- Because such a devastation in communications. M. Gorilovsky- Devastation in the heads. S. Sorokina“We all remember that.” But it’s very strange for me that, talking about the need to reform the housing and communal services, and somehow trying to do it with my fists, it’s completely not talking about such a terrible thing as the destruction of communications and the trouble with this. M. Gorilovsky- It says more and more. The only thing that makes us a little happy right now is that the banks have nowhere to put much money. Because invest so as to get back. Look at how much money is now in free banks. They do not understand where to give them to get back. And what is good about housing and communal services is a stable cash flow. Therefore, such funds ... Y. Kobaladze“Why don’t they come to this idea, the bankers themselves.” M. Gorilovsky“They have a different task.” And with funds, pension with others, the Leader has such a decent fund, he is now the sponsor of some of these concession projects. Close to Gazprom. There is money, there’s really nowhere to put it, because repayment causes big problems. That is, a lot more banks collect money than they can normally distribute them at some interest. S. Sorokina- And people began to pay worse for their utility needs. M. Gorilovsky- People still pay. Now there is no such non-payment crisis as it was in the late 90s, it was a terrible business. Now the standards are, the underpayment is from 3 to 7%, and they are being fought with. Now there are effective methods of struggle. Of course, collection is a very important issue. Because do not collect 10%, and the whole economy scattered. But all the same, people, even with those terrible tariffs that exist today, and in some places tariffs are just terrible. Y. Kobaladze- Everywhere, in my opinion. M. Gorilovsky- A different degree of creepiness. In some places, the rates are just fantastic, especially for heat. There are unimaginable rates. And someone has already climbed there, and now he can calmly add his 4-6%. He doesn’t need anything else. Someone stayed below, he is no longer allowed to add. That is, everything is in different conditions, this is also a big question. There is no single tariff. Tariffs may vary by 2-3 times in different cities. But the collection is pretty big anyway, because people are used to paying for utilities. S. Sorokina- With the departure of the elderly generation, it seems to me that the picture may change. Those who do not even finish eating, still pay their own ... M. Gorilovsky- In this way, but on the other hand, there are now effective methods of struggle. And litigation including. And this is not today that key moment, which was about 15 years ago, when there were simply frantic defaults. S. Sorokina“But we'll see.” Despite the fact that all the time it is said that they reached the bottom and pushed off, anyway, in my opinion, they did not reach the bottom. M. Gorilovsky- Unfortunately yes. S. Sorokina- And we do not know what will happen. I would still like to hear from you what you would like from this predictable partner, which is called the state. Well, let's put in place the development of a certain national program for the restoration of communications, which would be correctly technically thought out. M. Gorilovsky- First of all, the most important thing is the service life. Energy efficiency. Environmental safety and life cycle cost. Because life cycle cost is the most important thing. This is in our not very beloved developed countries some of the cost of the life cycle is the main criterion for deciding on the laying of a particular pipe. One pipe will lie for 50 years, the other must be replaced every 10 years. This must be changed five times. Plus repairs and everything else. The life cycle cost differs dozens of times. This is a very important issue, which we are currently trying to discuss very actively with the Ministry of Construction, and with all organizations that are related to the technical settlement. Because only this approach allows you not to shift the burden all the time, but to get rid of it for a long time and make effective investments. Y. Kobaladze- They listen to you or things are still there. M. Gorilovsky- They listen to us, as it were. But the cart moves extremely slowly. Because there are so many nuances. Firstly, we generally slowly adopt these kinds of laws. Secondly, every time everyone thinks about us, how could it be that the lobbyism of a particular industry is by chance. Gentlemen, you need to lobby for those things that are effective, which people need. Which allow to solve their problems in a short time. Reduce payments. Get rid of this idiocy that we have, our favorite freezing rain that was. Which left one hundred thousand people without ... This is why. Because we have absolutely all of our electrical networks laid at the top. S. Sorokina- And if they were lying in the pipes, of course, nothing would have happened. M. Gorilovsky- There are pipes, you can make them. Our energy guys are not poor. They can afford at least 5%, but send to the ground. Then in 20 years it will be possible to solve the problem, one way or another. Nothing is done at once. Everything needs to have some kind of program. But she is not. S. Sorokina- As for communications, it is still not there. There is such a disheveled program for housing and communal services, in my opinion, shredded. But there is nothing regarding the communications target. M. Gorilovsky- In general, relations with the housing and communal services are very interesting. Because we have an official budget in the federal budget in 2011 for utilities - 280 billion. What do you think, how much is planned in 2017? S. Sorokina- I do not know. M. Gorilovsky- 60 billion. This is the only line that has sharply decreased. 4.5 times. With an increase in budget from 11 trillion to 16 trillion. That is, it shows the attitude to housing and communal services in general. And our network system is part of the utilities. And you just can’t transfer it to a private trader. It takes time. And this money is needed not in order to give it, but in order to provide the necessary credit resources. Which for today is not absolutely. And something needs to be done with this. S. Sorokina- The main thing is that anyway, the consumer will not pull everything. M. Gorilovsky- Never. The consumer cannot pull it. S. Sorokina- This applies to dilapidated housing, and indeed major repairs. And communications. There must be some kind of goal story. M. Gorilovsky- And you need a master. There will be nothing without a master. Whoever takes a concession for 50 years, you are absolutely right, he becomes a conditional master. Such a surrogate host. Who understands that he has a long way to go and during this way he must ensure that he does not have to repair the networks every day. S. Sorokina- And here we are faced with another problem. That people with our long heads have already forgotten how to set up. And they do not know how. And you need to somehow configure it. I’m just afraid for a long time. Conditions, tariffs, governments are changing, everything is changing. And at any moment it can stop. M. Gorilovsky- Nevertheless, for 25 years we have been pushing this plastic into people's heads ... 25 years is the same as Ekho Moskvy. By the way, we were born on August 19, 1991. Registration. We will never forget. And so it turns out that we have been doing this for 25 years. And I would say so, we are engaged in a medium degree of success. During this time, nevertheless, the total volume consumed by plastic pipes increased 10 times. We are already 60% in gas supply, in gas distribution and this is good. Well, in the water 15. So far, 3 in the sewer. S. Sorokina- You see, world experience is of course to help you here. Because in developed countries everywhere they just switch to this plastic. M. Gorilovsky- Already crossed. S. Sorokina- Therefore, here you can talk about it boldly and, in general, there is something to rely on. M. Gorilovsky- We use this as one of the main arguments. But besides this, we also have a large scientific base, we have more than 100 research workers who are engaged in the development of new ones, as you understand, we speak plastic pipes. And these are hundreds of species. These are fittings, these are connections. This is welding equipment. This is a huge separate industry that works in this regard. And only when everything is fine with you, from raw materials to installation, then everything will be reliable and for a long time. And everything else is ... S. Sorokina- That's it, our time is over. We spoke with the general director of the Polyplastic group Miron Isaakovich Gorilovsky. Thank you for the conversation, all the best, goodbye. M. Gorilovsky- Thanks a lot. Bye. Pipes for housing and communal services are a sore nerve, and for the owner of the Polyplastic group Miron Gorilovsky, a gold mine. He sells them for billions of rubles, although often public utilities agree to change iron pipes to durable plastic ones only when they face an “article”. ANNA VASILIEVA 9:30 Ruble, as always, is worth it. There are no more than five kilometers to the plant, but Mercedes, in which Miron Gorilovsky, the co-owner of this and 18 other plants belonging to Polyplastic, goes to work, is stuck tightly. In order not to be nervous, Gorilovsky reads mail on the phone. Five minutes later, the cheerful mood returns to him. Half of the letters are appeals sent by the heads of subdivisions from the heads of utility companies, with which Polyplastic for many months tried unsuccessfully to conclude contracts for the supply of pipes. And here you are. The heating season began, as always, all of a sudden, with pipes full of holes, there is no money in the housing and utilities sector, and Gorilovsky has a full box of letters asking for help to quickly solve both problems. 9:55 The Polyplastic bosses moved to the office, which was located close to the plant, only two years ago, before that they were sitting in a glass wall in one of the workshops, shouting over the production buzz during negotiations. "The partners used to squint, but I liked it! - Gorilovsky shares his memories with me, hastily trying to scatter some scraps of pipes piled on the tables in the office through cabinets. - I love factory life, my element is production." And he adds, thinking: "Smart manufacturing." Actually, Gorilovsky has been engaged in smart production all his life, starting from the student's bench. From year to year, production has only grown smarter. At first it was devices for measuring the level of nitrates in fruits and vegetables, then hangers, fly swatter and perfume bottles, and finally, pipes and polymer composites. “What they themselves produced, they themselves always sold,” says Gorilovsky. “First, at the metro markets. Then, where more complicated. As a result, we were able to rent equipment, start producing composites, and then, in the mid-1990s, this plant built. " And smiles: "There used to be a dump." 10:00 Memories are interrupted by the visitor. One of the leaders of the Polimerteplo company, a member of the holding company (specializing in heat pipes), came to discuss the details of cooperation with Gazprombank. As Gorilovsky told me earlier, banks have recently become interested in plastic pipe manufacturers. Housing and communal services frightened bankers most of all from Polyplastic - the buyer is small and not so poor as greedy. But after Gorilovsky’s company came up with the idea of \u200b\u200bworking with this area on the principles of commodity credit, the business took a completely different turn. “My friends twisted their fingers at the temple: it’s a bad job to credit housing and communal services!” Gorilovsky recalls. “But I had a clear calculation. Metal pipes give 35-45% of heat loss, polymer pipes give only 2-3%, and at the expense of money Housing and utilities companies are able to repay the loan very quickly. And it happened. " Now men are hotly discussing loan terms with Gazprombank. The conditions seem to be quite acceptable - Gorilovsky is satisfied. To consolidate the effect, the employee reports that a certain Tolpygo began to draw up documents on early repayment of the loan. They tell me a heroic story about how the village of Aktash in the Altai Mountains froze last year, and the head of the village, Oleg Tolpygo, at his own risk, signed an agreement with Polyplastic to install 20 km of polymer pipes, as a result of which the village was saved. And now, it turns out, Tolpygo can pay ahead of schedule. "And before that, the coastal state unitary enterprise Primteploenergo returned the entire debt of 300 million rubles, they say that they saved this amount in just a year, so everything works!" - Gorilovsky rejoices. 11:00 The visitor is gone, and there is time to talk. I am wondering why it was necessary to build and acquire 19 plants, if the sale of pipes is such a complicated business, and Gorilovsky instantly starts up. "Can you imagine what pipes water, gas, heat go to your home? What is a city sewer, can you imagine?" I don’t really want to imagine this, but Gorilovsky insists: the holes in the metal pipes are not patched, but clogged with wooden choppers, they wait hours for heating the cold water in the system. "This is in the best case, and somewhere, wells and potbelly stoves at all - that’s all the housing and communal services," Gorilovsky waved his hand. "Depreciation of utility networks - 70%, this is actually a communal catastrophe." According to him, this costs us at least 100 billion rubles annually. extra costs: water simply flows into the ground - either by itself, or with gas, fuel oil, and electricity spent on heating it. “We urgently need to change 10% of all pipes per year. My plants produce 230 thousand tons per year, competitors - all that are, do the same, but 1.5 million tons are needed only to change these 10% ! " - So it is ... Is it really about volumes? - I try to stop this explosion of enthusiasm. - I mean, if next year 1.5 million tons of plastic pipes are made, will these figures cease to chop into iron pipes? “Well, yes, they won’t stop,” Miron grins. “The persistent guys are sitting in this housing and communal services. In FIG them really our "eternal" pipes? Neither do you have estimates for repairs, nor do you have estimates for replacement ... What is the business? Miron looks at me waiting for an answer, I shrug: naturally, there is no business. “And here is the business,” he tells me. “I catch them on the hook.” When the ground is really burning under their feet, when they are not ready for the heating season and the criminal is shining for them, I do everything for free and as quickly as I could not dream of. Installing 300 meters of our pipe is a couple of hours. And we deliver pipes to places where there is not a single road. And so drive Russia into the civilized world. Well, we’ll refund our money, but what about. 13:00 The out of breath head of the heat pipe shop appears, asks to stop by - to approve the technical changes in one of the lines that are still operating in a semi-experimental mode. “We are trying to make a pipe for heating systems in a couple of hours instead of a week,” Gorilovsky simply explains the flow of technical terms. “We’re running, there, as far as I know, the raw materials are not there for long.” We are running, and Gorilovsky on the run tells how this workshop was bought and how his life turned out to be connected with pipes as a result of this purchase. “I already built my factory, the neighboring one, and made polymer composites there. And just pipes were made here, and some dashing people connected with the vodka trade were going to buy the plant. And I just bought and bought to avoid this creepy neighborhood "And only when I bought it, I thought, what am I supposed to do now, pipes, what should I do?" As soon as Gorilovsky is in the workshop, the director of science, Vladislav Kovriga, rushes to him. - What about Rusnano? - he asks Gorilovsky, obviously, a very important question for him. Gorilovsky winces, it seems to me that he does not really want to answer. “Well, they sent expert reviews,” he answers after a hitch. “I especially liked one review.” They write that they do not see a “practical component” in our project. Kovriga is clearly discouraged. They tell me about the project - a heat pipe with increased resistance achieved through nanocomposites in the coating. “The pipes came out good, but expensive,” he explains to me. “So we decided to cooperate with Rusnano. Well, that is, according to our scheme, it is not money for us, but for our customers in the form of loans for new pipes.” Gorilovsky convinces the upset Kovrig not to despair: "The game has not been lost," quickly resolves issues with the shop manager, and together with other top managers we go to dinner. 15:00 After lunch, during which the CFO very funny told me how much the Internet helped everyone in the company ("It was impossible to live - hours did not go by, and Gorilovsky, this Iron Man, already ran around us all ten times with orders, now it’s at least limited to letters.) They didn’t even get up from the table — somewhere in Miron’s hands he had a bouquet of flowers, and he already congratulates one of the managers on his birthday, the next minute approves the venue for the meeting of regional leaders planned for the end of the year, then he criticizes the design of New Year's greeting cards, but then the director of the Cheboksary plant Denis Antropov came up with an intimate question about the budget for next year, and they asked me to leave. 16:00 But they invite me to the board of directors. The creation of a “team of tender killers” is on the agenda. “Starting next year, all contracts will go through a single tender committee!” One of the council members reports. “Therefore, neither municipalities, nor state unitary enterprises, nor water utilities can choose us as contractors themselves. We need to understand the conditions as accurately as possible.” The report does not meet with objections, the task fits into the plan marked "urgently." But the dispute is a discussion of credit policy. Most members of the board of directors favor the approval of a single amount for the whole year, the so-called annual credit limit, but one is sharply against: it is better to make a decision and sign documents for each, even the smallest loan, is more reliable. “This is our financial partner,” comments Gorilovsky. “He is worried.” "Financial partner", having met resistance of other members of the board of directors, like a schoolboy, pushes a neighbor in the shoulder and whispers: "Support me, say something." The neighbor obediently accepts his point of view, and the decision is postponed until the next meeting of the council. 18:15 Today is Friday, which means Gorilovsky has a sports day. We go to the fitness center, which Polyplastic rents for its employees. “We start schoolchildren in the mornings, and ours is ours,” Gorilovsky explains. “And not everyone wants it. I had to introduce a tough system: I came in less than six times a month - pass the pass to another in the queue.” Gorilovsky himself tries not to miss, steadily walks twice a week. There are fitness equipment, volleyball, basketball, tennis, pool, sauna. A few minutes later, Miron, already in a sports uniform, rushes to the ping-pong table. The enemy is strong, so Gorilovsky has a hard time. He becomes inflamed, begins to make mistakes, but then he gathers and wins. Before leaving - a standard swim per kilometer in the pool. “I quit smoking three years ago, on my 50th birthday,” Miron breathes deeply after the pool. “I smoked a lot, four packs a day, then I realized that I was adjusting my entire schedule for cigarettes and quit. Of course, I slightly adjusted my weight. But I’m actively dropping it, I bet with my friends that in a year I’ll make 25 kg easier. " 20:30 The tradition in the Gorilovsky family is to have dinner together in a restaurant every Friday evening. We arrive at the appointed place on Prechistenskaya embankment before everyone else. The eldest daughter Anya, a graduate of the Law Faculty of Moscow State University, is late at work, her son Leo is taking an exam at the Economics Faculty of Moscow State University, his wife Tatyana is late because the younger Misha and Dina dressed up for a long time. Having ordered mineral water and taking a sip, Miron again recalls the pipes. “I remember that in 2002 we came to Klimovsk to build a plant, and there the locals have only four hours a day, and what kind of water ... Rusty, brown. We just felt sorry for sending our people there, and we for the season "we have completely updated the water system with our own pipes. You can now drink water from the tap, and in general Klimovsk is now in the top five of the best cities in the Moscow Region." When one of his homeworkers appears in the restaurant one after another, Gorilovsky stops talking about work. We discuss no less important things: victories in the photo contests of Tatyana’s works - she is an inspired photographer, Ani’s career plans, Leo’s startups and even the successes of the younger ones in the development of tablet games. It can be seen that the family is friendly, and everyone is very happy to be together. “We often go all together somewhere, at least twice a year,” says Miron. “I, however, also go to work while relaxing. In India I was - I got an excellent partner in agriculture: aggregation provides great opportunities for polymers! We’re going to Australia now, so I’ve also looked at an interesting factory there. " |
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- The reasons for the mass death of bees
- Contaminated Soil Cleaning
- Who is an arborist and what is his responsibility?
- Erosion control measures
- Galvanized sheet - an important building material in solving most problems
